i don't know that the solution is nationalized healthcare. >> mr. dubois, the problem i have, as i stated you are helping one group by hurting another group and a bigger group. so i don't know if jesus is going to be down with that go ahead. >> well, jesus would be down for the poor. he would want to make sure that every single person in this country had enough food to eat, the bottom line is if you add up every single private charitable dollar that feeds hungry people in this country, it's only 10% of what we would need to make sure that everyone has food in their stomach. the rest comes from the federal government. $7 billion compared to 80 obillion dollars. if the government doesn't step in, people are going to go hungry. that's the bottom line. >> you are making a powerful argument, there is one huge mistake in it. and that is that some of the people who don't have enough to eat, it's their fault they don't have enough to eat. particularly with their children. and this is where it really becomes dicey. if you are an alcoholic or a heroin addict